talis_kimberley ([info]talis_kimberley) wrote,
@ 2008-02-16 11:54:00
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Cold, Scansion and The Baker's Girl, A Question
 I have a cold. For this reason I didn't record this Tuesday - sounding like a bad advert for throat sweets is not the effect I'm after, even in scratch tracks. I also wimped out of my voice lesson for the same reason - didn't fancy the drive, head full of ick, etc. But I am delighted to have found my old voice teacher who has moved to a nearby village, rather than Brighton (which she had planned) so before long I'll be reporting on Making Strange Noises of a Thursday Morning.

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Isn't scansion a strange thing? I've just had a proto-song completely change itself around as a result of a little change in the first line. I was struggling with making a tune really carry the words - lots of things fit, but they didn't let the syllables rest easy on the notes in a way that still felt like human speech. You try singing 'Livia worked at the bakery' and you'll see what I mean. In a nice lazy three time you end up swallowing the end of bakery and there's absolutely no springboard for the next line. In a more martial four time you end up with the last syllable of bakery either being overstressed or ignored, and again, no easy lead-in for the following line. I've tried all sorts of things, melodies all over the place, and the lyrics just weren't having it. 

I finally realised that the problems was the word 'bakery' itself, and so I changed the first line, which felt odd as that's usually the original 'seed' of the song. 

Now try with 'Livia, the baker's girl' and it's so much more fluid. I get a lilting four-time out of it with the lyric coming in on the second beat. 

Is better, yes?

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The lovely and deeply talented Seanan McGuire refers to my song 'Still Catch the Tide' in her comic strip, 'With Friends like these...' and as of today I have her artwork on my wall. When she gets back from her current performing trip, I'm hoping she'll pop in here and point you at her work...  Seanan, Girl Genius, thank you!
 



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[info]janewilliams20
2008-02-16 12:26 pm UTC (link)
I do see what you mean about the bakery. Sadly Livia the Bakers Girl seems to like the tune for "Old MacDonald had a farm", which probably wasn't what you had in mind (and has the stress on the wrong syllable of her name).

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[info]phillip2637
2008-02-16 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Because I start songs with a goal of writing them more than of singing them, my ongoing scansion battle is remembering that 'syllable' is not a valid unit of measure. Beyond the obvious notion of stressed or not-stressed, there's also a length that's a function of the syllable's sounds. I often cause myself trouble by writing something like 'James' over a note duration that will only support 'He'. I change a lot of so-called finished lyrics once I try putting them to music.

(Then, when I get to thinking of "stressed or not-stressed" as a range rather than a binary condition, my head hurts.)

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[info]talis_kimberley
2008-02-20 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Absolutely! 'Livia' is three short syllables... but it's settled down now, after significant rewriting. Yes, as you say, what works on paper doesn't always work in the voice. I find the voice-version also often acquires unwritten 'ohs' and 'wells' and 'ands' if it's a conversational kind of lyric.

I find the craft of songwriting fascinating, and could geek about it much more than I do!

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[info]phillip2637
2008-02-20 03:06 pm UTC (link)
"unwritten 'ohs' and 'wells'"

**Laughing** I wrote something not long ago with a line, "Has fear in his voice, but hides really well," which reads and scans just fine in context. However, as my #1 audience member ([info]janeg) points out, I have not yet performed it without inserting 'he' before 'hides'.

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[info]jaegerin
2008-02-20 04:43 pm UTC (link)
It's certainly fascinating reading about it :-)

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[info]callylevy
2008-02-17 11:58 am UTC (link)
*grins* Scansion very much in my mind at the moment, as while looking through Minor Elizabethan Dramas Vol 2 (in preparation for next Saturday), I found myself with the urge to write in iambic pentameter...

Most of a monologue for Tomas now completed!

M x

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[info]kathy_songbird
2008-02-17 02:27 pm UTC (link)
ooooh! I can hardly wait. :-)

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[info]talis_kimberley
2008-02-20 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Looking forward to that!

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[info]cadhla
2008-02-19 04:22 pm UTC (link)
You're hugely welcome! Yay for it reaching you!

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[info]talis_kimberley
2008-02-20 02:54 pm UTC (link)
Glad you're home safe, Travelling Girl!

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