talis_kimberley ([info]talis_kimberley) wrote,
@ 2008-03-03 10:39:00
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The Creative Map
 I was listening to some Vaughan Williams that V had put on the cd player. The fifth, I think it was, and I was noticing how often it reminded me of 'The Lark Ascending' - written som twenty years earlier in his career. I got to thinking how much easier it is earlier in one's creative life to produce something new and original.

The more work one produces, the more one maps the area inhabited by one's creativity. Even if one constantly pushes the borders outwards, there will always remain the area within which ones ideas lie - and the works one makes from those ideas will necessarily sit closer and closer together. 

Is this why rock stars look at writing opera or symphonies? Why painters write novels, why sculptors direct plays - to push those borders farther still?

When I began writing songs they were in a very gentle folk idiom, and over time they pushed out to colonise rock and to a degree, jazz/blues. They thrived in the no-mans'-land that lies beyond and around all of those. Once in a while I write something that I feel occupies a space all its own, but very often I can look at a new song and tell you who its closest neighbours are.

Of course unless one actually says everything there is to say in a song, there is usually good reason to revisit a subject over the years and find new things to say - or new ways to say it. That's fine - sometimes I feel I've said things better second time round, perhaps because I've had more experience to bring to the situation.

I still live in hope of finding that virgin field into which I can plump down a brand new song that has no close neighbours or immediate predecessors at all. Even a few hundred songs in, that can still happen...

So Vaughan Williams revisited some of the themes and ideas in his sublime 'Lark', discernible in his later symphony. Not self-plagiarism, just... looking again with older and perhaps wiser eyes at what one said then, and making a few further comments?
 



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[info]smallship1
2008-03-03 12:38 pm UTC (link)
Nice analogy. That explains a lot.

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[info]talis_kimberley
2008-03-05 12:45 pm UTC (link)
Here's a thought: suppose the surface of the creative map is actually fractal. That would mean there is always further territory to explore even in between quite close-neighbouring pieces ... is that not encouraging? I find it so.

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[info]pbristow
2008-03-03 07:50 pm UTC (link)
[NODS]

cf also: Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells II, which some dismissed as just a "re-tread" of the original TB. Well, it was, but it also wasn't: It was a *re-composition* of TB, conforming to the original plan but using (a) different tunes, and (b) all the acquired musical experience of the intervening 20 years. For my money, it's much the better of the two works. The various segments fit together better, the transitions flow better, the whole thing *evolves* more naturally from beginning to end, while still having all the same (or nearly the same but one step removed) ideas, moods and styles present.

It also tells lovely stories in my head. =:o}

TB III, on the other hand, was a completely unrelated and uninspired pile of do-do, quite unworthy of sharing the name. =:o\

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[info]talis_kimberley
2008-03-05 12:46 pm UTC (link)
I'll have to give TBII a listen, on that recommendation.

Maybe I'll pass on number three, though!

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[info]vaurien
2008-03-04 08:06 am UTC (link)
I reckon you'd do a better job of something orchestral than most of the 'stars' that have tried. I'd love to see you try too.

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[info]talis_kimberley
2008-03-05 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Not sure I'm ready to try this... but I'm hoping for some secondary melodies that sit well with the instruments for which they're intended, in time...

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[info]placeofhonour
2008-03-05 10:44 pm UTC (link)
*double-take*

Oh, you're talking about *that* Lark Ascending. I'll get back under my rock :)

I certainly think you see this with writers. The same subjects and themes seem to bug them throughout their lives, but their take on the issue gets richer and more sophisticated with time. Just compare The Hobbit to Lord of the Rings, for goodness' sake.

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