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EQUAL

In the dear old Church of England

I’m welcome to attend

I could help out with the cleaning

There are cassocks I could mend

I could make and serve the coffee

And all the while pretend

That this meant that I was equal after all...

As a candidate for Parliament

I’m welcome to apply

If I look well-groomed, wear decent shoes

And catch the camera’s eye

As the minister for motherhood

I would give strength to the lie

That said that I was equal after all...

On the radio each morning

I’m welcome to tune in

To the news and sport and commentary

With which the day begins

But in a gender-counting tally

‘S funny, women never win

So tell me that I’m equal after all...

Never mind, let’s watch this drama

Or a film if you prefer

Is the Bechdel Test so difficult?

Didn’t she say that to her?

Go on, tell me just one more time

‘Things are better than they were’;

And aren’t I nearly equal -

Why go on about this ‘equal’ –

You don’t hear men ask to be equal, after all!

Well, don’t you tell me that I’m equal

When I know this isn’t equal

Which means you’re not equal either, after all.

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Words by & © Talis Kimberley 20th November 2012

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On November 20th, 2012 10:42 pm (UTC), occams_pyramid commented:
They'd probably be horrified if someone suggested that for instance they shouldn't allow black bishops. (Well the archbigot of York would be!)
But as you say, if they can do that to one group on some arbitrary distinction they can do it to anybody. Nobody is equal.

And they are probably still wondering why more and more people find them completely irrelevant.
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On November 21st, 2012 12:27 pm (UTC), the_magician replied:
Apparently the first black bishop only goes back to 1985 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfred_Wood_%28bishop%29

And it should really be pointed out (as Annie has done) that the Bishops and Clergy were very much in favour of women bishops, but it was the lay members (including many women) that didn't vote sufficiently in favour (each group must have a 2/3rds majority ... and the lay members apparently only failed to meet that by a few votes)

The overall vote was 73% in favour (342 to 122) ... so a few more women (or men!) voting *for* women bishops, and it would have passed this time ...
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On November 21st, 2012 12:36 pm (UTC), the_magician replied:
Just spotted the actual numbers
Bishops 44 in favour, 3 against
Clergy 148 in favour, 45 against
Laity 132 in favour, 74 against ...

So six more votes would have been enough ...
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On November 21st, 2012 01:47 pm (UTC), talis_kimberley replied:
Six! Hells. Cue interesting debate on why people vote against their own best interests... thanks for the numbers, Chris.
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On November 21st, 2012 02:31 pm (UTC), the_magician replied:
No worries, I wanted to find out how close it was ...
... all figures are at the end of the BBC News article here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20423664

Bishops over 90% in favour, Clergy around 75%, Laity 64% ... needed to be 2/3rds in each.

So definitely not the "old men of the church" keeping women down ... this time.
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On November 21st, 2012 01:00 am (UTC), jewelsong commented:
Wow...I like it!

Tune yet?
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On November 21st, 2012 01:48 pm (UTC), talis_kimberley replied:
It's trying to raid the tune from another song of mine at the moment. I haven't yet decided whether to let it... :-)
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On November 21st, 2012 03:51 pm (UTC), jewelsong replied:
Go ahead and raid your own tune! All the great composers stole from themselves all the time!
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On November 21st, 2012 12:25 pm (UTC), folkmew commented:
Yeah I always feel conflicted when there are landmarks like it is the first time we've had 3 women in the NH senate, or first female secretary of state or.... Yay! and why the hell has it taken this long!??


That said - I'm increasingly glad that Ed's church of employment (Episcopal) has women not only ordained as ministers but all the way at the top. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/jan-june06/episcopal_06-19.html (or at least they have had apparently - I admit I'm a UU and not much up on the politics of Ed's church of employment). I was also happy when they ordained Bishop Gene Robinson the first openly gay Bishop. Yay for small steps I guess.

Meanwhile - let's see some substantive change world ok!??
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On November 21st, 2012 01:48 pm (UTC), talis_kimberley replied:
That would indeed be good. I've liked all I've heard about the UU.
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On November 21st, 2012 04:01 pm (UTC), deborah_c commented:
*applauds*

This is one of several reasons that I no longer consider myself part of the CofE...
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